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Russell Arben Fox's avatar

I never knew you were a MacIntyre fan, Noah! Good for you. As I wrote in my post commemorating him (here: https://mittelpolitan.substack.com/p/thoughts-about-macintyre), I don't think his work ever a huge direct influence on my thinking, but of course it was there in the mix of things; I really don't know how any serious thinker who was using the English language in the 1980s and 1990s could avoid the force of his brilliant, teleological challenge to Enlightenment liberalism, even if only to reject it. I recognize that I'm tipping my hand with the reference to the 80s and 90s there, because I still think the old liberal-communitarian debate has value, and I see MacIntyre (as much as he protested against it) providing his own more-localist-than-not, more-Aristotelian-than-not, spin on that argument, a spin which I think the post-liberals can only appropriate for their own thinking somewhat clumsily. I love your example of Ikiru as a demonstration that a community-formed telos can still exist in the context of bureaucracy, and I think you're correct in noting that Ikiru is a great example partly because it shows heroism emerging in a way that arguably rebukes the ethos of the protagonist's own community, and yet is something that everyone else in the office recognizes--because they have received and been shaped by the same stories--as the act of nobility it was, even though none of them are able to follow his example. Anyway, great stuff. A "Liberal Aristotelianism" indeed!

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Robert Mullins's avatar

I really enjoyed this. I just want to say that I think the Aristotelian Mill might have already been and gone: Joseph Raz's Morality of Freedom comes pretty close.

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