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Shreeharsh Kelkar's avatar

Hi Noah, this is a great post: very clarifying. I think utilitarianism (which is what I think you’re offering here) is underrated as a way of debating what we should do and I like your focus on outcomes rather than just actions or feelings. But of course, you conclude by saying that it is legitimately possible that the outcomes others may want are just different outcomes (preventing genocide versus keeping America insulated from Israel’s actions versus damaging Israel). I think there is another point: this kind of cost-benefit analysis that focuses on outcomes you carried out in the post (which I really like) does not seem to me to be the kind of analysis that can be articulated publicly; it’s essentially analysis that’s either to be done privately by an entity or disclosed privately between entities. Joe Biden cannot say that it’s important to support Israel now so we can extract concessions later; that would dissipate any goodwill he’d generated among Israelis (it’s a gift relationship so while Israelis clearly know that they have been given a gift they will have to return someday, making that explicit destroys the gift relationship). Would you agree? Anyway, all of that said, I do wish more people are thinking about outcomes more (especially all the American leftists who have worked themselves up into a frenzy).

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Freddie deBoer's avatar

The trouble with the Rwanda counterfactual is that we had 150,000 troops in Iraq, at the peak, and one of the explicit jobs that they were there to accomplish was peacekeeping. The country was torn apart all the same. And I think people are much too cavalier when it comes to simply assuming that we would have been able to meaningfully arrest the slaughter in Rwanda too.

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