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Noah, thanks for this. It is helpfully orienting, as your work always is.

For what it’s worth, I do not know a single committed Republican voter who thinks that even one Democrat is “actually committed to liberal principles.” They are told every day by people they trust that the opposite is true. And it must be said that the Democratic party has done a great deal to encourage a belief in their illiberalism, but even if the party made an absolute commitment to restoring their bona fides, news of it wouldn’t penetrate the right-wing media containment field.

It’s interesting to note, not what left or left-ish media say about the Trump administration, but what the administration says about itself:

1) That the President is not bound by national or international law but only by his own “morality” (the President himself);

2) That in governing the only things that matter are “strength ... force ... power” (Stephen Miller);

3) That because ICE is effectively serving as the executive branch’s police force, an ICE agent can kill anyone at any time for any reason and have “absolute immunity” from consequences (the Vice-President).

And roughly 40% of Americans are totally fine with all this. You could argue, of course, that many of them don’t know the specific points I have just noted, but does anyone believe that if they did know they would change their views? That would change nothing — it might even confirm some people in their support. In fact, if Trump were to declare tomorrow a state of emergency in which all elections are suspended for the indefinite future, and YouGov polled people on what they thought about that, I doubt that the numbers would be much different than they are in the poll about ICE’s actions.

So I think those of us who would like to live in a relatively free country instead of a police state should (a) thank God that the percentage of Americans who *want* to live in a police state is less than a majority and (b) understand that those 40% are unreachable by appeals to evidence or morality or the constitution of this nation.

Then the question becomes: How to engage the 22% who only somewhat disapprove of what ICE is doing or don’t know what they think? For those who would wish to see this regime constrained and (ultimately) defeated, that’s the only question. And I think that as you hint in your post, the means by which this engagement could be generated largely concern moral formation.

Ezra's avatar

This is a measured and thoughtful article. However, this needs to be discussed:

“…which was one of the background causes of the return of Donald Trump to the White House, even though he chaos of 2020 happened on his watch.”

Given that the protests largely occurred May-October of 2020, during the height of the campaign for the White House, which he notably lost, this is a pretty large assertion to make without evidence or citation.

You are saying that the protests didn’t propel him back into office at the peak of their salience, while the Trump campaign and it’s associated dark money groups were spending hundreds of millions of dollars to increase the salience to the election. But four years later, when the Trump campaign and it’s superpacs were running primarily on economics, immigration and queerphobia, then it was part of his return?

Especially in a piece with so much opinion polling cited, this is a claim in need of further discussion.

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